December 9th, 2021 • 41 mins 58 secs • Download (38.4 MB) • Link with Timestamp
Trump's official power as president wasn't what got him so close to toppling the 2020 election. It was his ability to convince supporters that black is white, and up is down — and they're preparing for next time. The Atlantic's Bart Gellman joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast.