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May 4th, 2012 • 2 hrs 6 mins • Download (58.2 MB) • Link with Timestamp
John Siracusa and Dan Benjamin discuss meeting Apple employees at WWDC, the latest round of iPhone rumors, RubyMotion (a new product for writing iOS apps in Ruby), the distinction between producer, consumer, and performer in gaming and other arts, The Ki