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October 8th, 2019 • 18 mins 14 secs • Download (8.35 MB) • Link with Timestamp
Jim Ellermeyer chats with the returning singer/actress Joanna Lowe as she talks about templates and what we love in life, separating who people are from who they say they are, other people’s ideas of needing to be in a commitment, escaping “happily ever after”, what it means to be married, allowing the emotions to happen and let them heal you.