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January 21st, 2016 • 47 mins 17 secs • Download (21.9 MB) • Link with Timestamp
Jeffrey Zeldman’s guest is Abby Covert, Information Architect; curator of IA Summit; co-founder of World IA Day; president of IA Institute; teacher in the Products of Design MFA program at New York’s School of Visual Arts; and author of How To Make Sense